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Hey Sam,
I nibbled yesterday along with the common portfolio purchases. Would it be imbecilic to take a bite on a Green Day like today, since we believe we have a bit of room, or do we wait for the retest that may or may not come? What is our confidence level here? Seems high.
These prices are still good prices, but there is a lot more risk buying after a 10% move up.
Thank you. Yes!
Delete it. I will go with the stated base case. 🙂 What a ride…
So I can’t give advice on when or what to buy. I can just tell you what we’re doing.
We bought the QQQ yesterday at 425 across all our common Stock portfolios.
At 425 a share that is a full 6-7% off of the lows. The reason we bought at $425 is because those portfolios are ultra long-term and I know that 1, 2 or 3 years into the future, those purchases will look genius.
QQQ is likely to be trading at or north of $600 at some point in time in the next few years.
Even if we enter a full bear market, we will still likely see the market at fresh all-time highs in the next few years.
At $425 a share, we’re talking a potential near 50% return. On shares, not options.
Notice that our common stock portfolio target is 20% annual returns. That’s what we try to accomplish on an average year.
So when I’m making purchases for the common stock portfolios, it’s with a multi year time horizon in mind and with our return target in mind.
We’ve outlined what we expect is going to happen and we’ve outlined the technicals as they currently stand.
The further one buys off of the lows, the higher the overall risk. But that needs to be balanced out by an objective look at current prices relative to future expectations.
When looking at the four part framework, our back tested strategy of buying on a 10% correction works.
In chapter 1, we showed that buying the market at a 10% discount from it’s highs, has historically guaranteed a recovery within two years of making a purchase, even if we entered a bear market.
We showed that if one waited to buy at the 10% down mark in 2008, those buyers saw a full recovery by 2010 and they even had gains.
This is true of every major bear market of the last 20+ years
At $432 a share, the QQQ is down double that number. At $432 it is down 20% from its highs.
I haven’t gone back to the financial crisis or 2022 or covid era or any of these other major selloffs to see what would’ve happened, had someone bought at 20% down. But I’m willing to wager performance was very strong.
For example, I know that in 2022, the highs ahead of the bear market was at 408 pre-dividend adjustments.
20% down would have been $81.60 below 408. That would be the same as buying at 326 a share.
So suppose someone bought at 326 a share in early 2022 (Feb-Mar).
They would have went through hell for all of 2022
But come December 2022, the market bottomed and begun a massive rally.
By the time we reached July 2023, the QQQ had rallied to $388 a share.
That means in roughly 18 months from purchase, anyone who bought the QQQ at $326 during the last bear was up 20% overall.
The market then sustained a correction from July 2023 to November 2023.
From there the market then rallied to 450 initially, sustained a correction down to $418 and then rallied to $503 ahead of the August 2024 crash.
So had someone bought at 20% down in early 2022, they would have made a purchase at 326. From there the QQQ rallied to 503 in about 2.5 years. That’s 54% return in 2.5 years in regular shares. .
And then, obviously the high was 540. That’s a 65% total return on common stock. .
So just quick back of the napkin math based on memory, had someone bought at 20% down in the last bear market, they would have been up 65% in exactly 3 years.
That’s on a common stock portfolio
And even with this crash, they’d still be deep in the green. Even with the QQQ falling to 400 they’re still deep in the green from their purchase at $326.
Again that assumes a full ass bear market here. In most cases, we don’t enter a bear market as they’re rare. When the market does drop 20%, we generally rally back to the highs in relative short order (a few months).
Anyway, that should just give some perspective on why we bought at 425 a share. Because even if we have a bear market, that purchase will be solid long-term.
That is also probably true of 2008 in every other similar bear market.
The only bear market that is going to have exceptions is dot-com crash because we were coming off of such extremely high valuations.
That entire dot-com era was driven by FOMO based speculation. Market values were dominated by companies that produced no income at all.
And a while it’s OK in some cases to value companies way above their earnings capacity there needs to be some sort of reason behind it.
Amazon, for example, was valued way way it’s earning capacity because it derived such massive amounts of revenue
Tesla currently trades way north of its earnings capacity because the company innovates. Tesla does a lot of different things and it does it well. Any one of those in innovations can turn Tesla into a Nvidia
For example, it’s work on robotics could easily catapult the company
In the dot-com era, almost everything was valued in a Tesla like way.
And when that happens, it becomes very difficult for the market to crawl back to its previous highs.
But in Covid or in 2008 in 2022 or today, we don’t have extreme valuations. We did see the S&P P/E ratio rise above 30 but that’s still pretty mild. Like that’s not a bubble by any stretch of the imagination. And there are plenty of justifications for higher PE ratios.
For example, Apple traded between a 10 and 18 PE ratio for much of the last decade while it was in hyper growth
But in the 2020s its PE ratio expanded given its ability to drive consistent cash flow flows year after year. The iPhone has become a mainstay of economy. It’s basically automatic.
So even though growth rate has come down dramatically a higher P/E ratio is warranted given the cash flows.
Anyway, the point is this. Buying at 20% down is likely to yield very positive results long-term as the market is likely to rally to 600 or higher in the coming years.
It’s also why we bought the June 2027 $400 calls. Those calls will be worth double on a QQQ rally to 600 to share.
Thank you as always.
RALLY DAY 1 ! We need more copium. Thank you Sam, also, our QQQ May call-spread won’t be recover until QQQ is back to 480 trading range right ?
If QQQ is trading at 480 on April 15 the value is ~$0.70
$500 at the end of the month is ~$1.30
$520 at the end of the month is ~$3.25
It’s very possible QQQ makes a run toward all-time highs by the end of April. It all depends how it unfolds, but the bottom line is even $480 doesn’t do a ton in terms of recouping value and that clock is ticking.
$460 in a week gets you there
how did you calculate all of this ?
I guess that First used an options calculator like this one.
https://www.optionsprofitcalculator.com/calculator/call-spread.html
I might just have to cut these bad boys for a cool $100 soon.
Hi Sam,
Thanks for the clear insight as always. Seeing how things played out in the last few days has been eye opening and is invaluable to see and speaks volumes to the importance of the data.
I remember when we were discussing the 1st correction leg rebound we were waiting to see the QQQ hourly (daily?) RSI to breach the midline and trade above for substantial amount of time to confidently call the rebound vs. a small jump followed by the continuation of the correction leg. This capitulation event is obviously much more substantial so I wanted to pick your brain on what type of technical (e.g. RSI, historical rally durations) and non-technical (e.g. type of news from the press) indicators we should be looking out for / expecting to navigate the nature / duration / size of the current rally, post-capitulation.
Thanks! 🙂
Just realized you answered most of my question heh does technical indicators (e.g. RSI breaching the midline) still have any weight on this?
Sam, in prior briefings you mentioned how negative news is exhausting and that eventually there’s divergence from that where the market heads higher, the negative news persists, but is ignored, then it shifts positive.
In this case, if tariff deals were to be announced in a very positive way putting an end to the saga, does that fuel the rally higher, or is the market still going to behave largely how you forecast where it’s going to do things ahead of the news. I’m just curious if it works both ways.
If we are to get tariff deals, I think that this is Covid all over again.
The market is not going to wait for the impact. The market never cares about the actual impact ever.
The market only cares about what the future is likely to bring.
This is why the market rallied during Covid even while economic data came in very negative
The market won’t sit there and drop on bad economic data as a result of tariffs if the tariff issue itself has been resolved
I forgot to discuss this today, but that was a comparison I was going to make between Covid and tariffs.
What made us recover so quickly with Covid is operation light speed, fed intervention, the small business tax credit and a general plan by the administration to handle Covid head on across a variety of different fronts. It was really the only major time during Trump’s first term that I felt like the administration handled something very very competently.
I’m not a big politics person. I don’t really support Trump nor do I take the other side. I judge every person based on their merits.
Those who are hypercritical of Trump need to recognize that the administration handled Covid very well.
Objectively speaking reducing regulatory constraints and allowing pharmaceutical companies to quickly develop a vaccine was a very smart move.
In fact in Trump’s first term, I think historians will view how the Trump administration handled Covid to be the highlight of his legacy.
Anyway, there are potential parallels to tariffs. The parallels are mainly how they get resolved.
If deals are made and we get some degree of clarity, then regardless of the actual economic fallout, the market is going to recover.
If tariffs remain a big issue well into the future, then this will be kind of like the European debt crisis
We will get one correction after another after another after another, and it will start to get repetitive
Notice that during the European debt crisis era, the stock market rallied the whole time it just sustained multiple corrections on the same damn issue
We will likely see something similar here if there isn’t a full clear resolution. The market will rally and it will have future subsequent corrections on tariffs over and over again.
so if QQQ peaka at 480 and starts to roll over back to the lows, you mentioned risks of bear market skyrockets… what’s your take qqq going lower than 400 if the bear market is confirmed, Sam?
So if we’re in a bear market, then we can expect anywhere from 30-50% losses. From absolute peak to absolute trough in teh financial crisis, the market dropped 55%.
But what people don’t ever mention is that the market didn’t sit down there at 55%. The market immediately rebounded off of those lows and really spent a big portion of its time down 40%. For example ALL of the losses sustained in February 2008 which lead to the absolute low point and putting us down 55% was all mostly receovered in March 2008.
So while the market did end up dropping 55% at its worst, it never stayed down there for long at all. It was followed by an immediate recovery. When looking at baseline losses, it’s 39% for the financial crisis.
For 2022, it was 40% total with a small amount of time spent at these extreme 39% lows. Each time the QQq touched down -40%, it immediately rallied back to the $280-$290 area which was close to down -28-30%.
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With that in mind, applied to today, if the QQQ underwent a similar bear market as it did in 2022 for example, it would drop to around $325. $325 represents a 40% drop. It would spent very little time down there however and would probably spend most of its time in the $370-$400 area. $370 represents 31% down. So that’s how to sort of view and anticipate what a full bear market would look like.
But I think to get there — just like in 2008 and in 2022 — we’d need to see a major bear market rally first. Then we’d plunge from there down to those other low points in subsequent legs lower.
so how this translates to NVDA? Can we expect the same 40% drop (max) in that also in bear market? if yes, then i think we are already there ($90 is already 40% down from its peak of $150). What would you say here?
This is not where I stand, but is there any chance +10% from $400 is all we get ahead of another leg lower?
No. Becuase we’re still oversold at a 23-RSi on the daily right now. It’s as if nothing happened. It’s the closing basis that matters here. The RSI does’t rebound until we get a rally on a closing basis. And really, when it comes to the daily, it has to be a multi-week type of rally.
Hey Sam,
what is your take on today’s market action? Opened really high and then sold off like crazy later
We’re still oversold. It’s as if we never had a rebound. The RSi is still at -23, the $VIX is higher. So we’re in the same conditions. Set up to rally.
Today is clearly a retest. It’s set-up well.
bullllllll trap . . .
oh ya buddy we been bamboozled!!!
Castration…
I’d venture to say the exact opposite today. What we’re seeing right now is more likely to be a bear trap.
better change the title lol
Nah we’re good. The market has bottomed. When we count rally days, we count off of the absolute low point.
So yesterday’s 402 lows have to be eclipsed for us to go back to counting correction days
I don’t think we’re gonna get there. We’re too oversold
Hey Sam,
What is your opinion on the weighting of the tariff deals that come through? Seems like the biggest point of worry is China. Let’s say we get tariff deals handled with most trade partners except China; do you think the market will rally regardless of the uncertainty behind China given it’s weighting in the global economy?
Perhaps you can also use a chart from 1930 to reference from.
Hello Sam,
Can you confirm that the sessions of April 7, April 8, and now a sharp drop on April 9, just before the opening, like on April 7, are quite unprecedented?
I don’t remember seeing this in 2018 or 2020.
I have the impression that the market is quite atypical and often takes the wrong turn, as it did last February and March…
I agree with you on the rally trend, but isn’t the risk here of seeing a real drop before this rally, even lower than $400?
Another point that alarms me is BITCOIN’s tendency not to react to the upside and to continue breaking through its support levels…
This is good …
2020 was way way worse. I just published a comment on that yesterday or on Monday morning. I can’t remember.
But in 2020, we had session where the market dropped more than 10% in a single day and also rose by 10%. 2020 was way way worse. I think here the worst we’ve seen so far was 6%? We had 12-13% down days.
I think some of the biggest down days in the markets recent history including 2008 happened in 2020. I’ve seen a table showing that before.
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Yeah I think the NASDAQ’s worst day happened on March 16, 2020 when it closed down 12.32%. that was worst than the 1987 crash for the NASDAQ. The 1987 crash for the NASDAQ was -11.35% on October 19, 1987.
Rankings:
So TWO of the top 5 largest down days happened in 2020 including Rank #1 and Rank #4.
Ranks 5-10 are different days in 1987 and 2008.
Rank #12 is March 9, 2020 at -7.29%
So as you can see, 2020 was far far worse than what we’re seeing right now in terms of volatility. Covid holds 3 of the top 15 biggest down days.
In terms of the regular NASDAQ, this correction has yet to eclipse the top 20 in terms of biggest down days. What we saw during the past week was close. But I don’t see any in the top 20 for the NASDAQ in particular.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_daily_changes_in_the_Nasdaq_Composite
Hey Sam,
I know by now you must be tired of reading posts asking wether this wollne different etc.
I am just wondering what you think of the factor that the US administration seems hellbent on doing the stupidest thing economically. I mean they couldn’t have done a worse job if they tried.
And in all of those other massive crashes whether it’s COVID or the financial crisis at least the world leaders did the things the market thought they should be doing to deal with the damage. Like you said you thought Trump dealt with COVID alright. Well now he just doesn’t at all.
What do you think the market will do if he is just doing exactly the things the market doesn’t want him to do? Do you think that is a significant factor for the market dynamics going forward?
I think Sam is confident a sizable bounce is due based on technicals and historical trends over the last couple decades., including potential incoming bear market conditions.