Market Pulling Back a Little off of Overbought Conditions as Indicated in Yesterday’s Daily Briefing

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J W

What are your thoughts on AAPL heading into earnings next week? Do you think there is a possibility of breaking down to $215? Seems to be holding $222 quite well

NeverGonnaLetYouDown

A 10% bounce in 20 days from the low would bring AAPL to 241,50$ on Feb19. This would leave our call still at -30%. It would have to go really well to breakeven. But as you emphasized, it’s a small position.

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CK

Sam, what are your thoughts on Tesla going into earnings? At what price level is this a good buy?

CK

Thank you, that makes a lot of sense.

Bill N

New here, always appreciate your analysis.

Marius-Bogdan Ionescu

Hi Sam,
I noticed a lot of targeted material against NVIDIA starting with the not so well prepared cnbc documentary focusing on the Chinese Deepseek model, and the META datacenter to be constructed 3/4 of Manhattan’s size which all thing will be filled with AVGO chips for inference. Is someone trying to get a better price on NVIDIA or are these things worth investigating ?

CK

Good question. I came on to ask Sam this as well.
Deepseek’s r1 model is outperforming/on-par with OpenAI’s a1 model, and SUPPOSEDLY used older and fewer NVDA chips to train their LLMs. Now there are disputes over what and how many chips they were actually using to train, since due to sanctions they were not supposed to get the NVDA Hopper chips, but their models are open sourced so I’d imagine people can get to the bottom of that fairly quickly. Assuming Deepseek’s claims are true, that does call Nvidia’s moat into question. Interested to get your take on this, when you have time. Thanks Sam.

Marius-Bogdan Ionescu

I tested it on their webpage…was not so inpressed…maybe its o1 mini level…and that comparing a 650B params model with a much lower one…also saw comparisons to meta 3B…additionally..it says its gpt by OpenAI….seems to me like a frankenstein model stiched together and extra trained with 6M….nevertheless the news are pouring in against NVDA…

Last edited 10 months ago by Marius-Bogdan Ionescu
Marius-Bogdan Ionescu

And here it comes: if Deepseek costed 6M (and then its written but not talked about at cnbc: this is only training cosrt, does not include infrastructure, technical team wages, research payment or any other wheel in the mechanism), why Bank of China is set to pay up to 1T yuan aka 137B usd in next 5 years for AI advancement? https://www.bankofchina.com/aboutboc/bi1/202501/t20250123_25254674.html

Marius-Bogdan Ionescu

Sorry for spamming but these dates seem somehow related/clustered together:
1. Stargate project announced 21 jan 2025
2. Arvix white paper on DeepSeek performance released 22 jan 2025
3. Bank of China 137B AI investment announced 23 jan 2025
4. Zuck Giga Ai datacenter announced 24 jan 2025
Something cooks here…whats your oppinion?

Marius-Bogdan Ionescu

Thats what i thought when i only read about deepseek and meta avgo related things. After composing the list above i changed my thinking :)))

Last edited 10 months ago by Marius-Bogdan Ionescu
Karl Peak

What’s your conclusion ?

NVIDIA is powerful but can drop to 120-130$ before rallye to 170$.

Chris Lin

as a crude analogy, when a game console first comes out each generation of games for it gets better and better as programmers learn how to squeeze the most out of hardware. china just did that, made their NES console perform as good or even better than SuperNintendo without a hardware upgrade which come to think of it is even more astonishing.

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Chris Lin

the deep seek news has now thrown all analysis into chaos it would seem

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