Whenever the market has spent a prolonged period of time trading in wide range, it has historically raised the risk of a bear market. We'll discuss that today and how to confront it.
Thanks for the analysis as always Sam. If we might head to a bear market, what is your prediction for NVDA then ?
We have always said NVDA will reach 150+ last 7 months and would trade above that level soon. The release of this earning 2/26 (Blackwell earning) would greatly help with that. What’s your thought ?
Well if we enter an actual bear market, that thesis would be derailed. That’s the entire point of risk management. It’s to insure against the potential risk of a bear market, crash or other black swan type of event.
Most likely if we entered an actual full fledged bear market, Nvidia would likely fall to $70-$80 a share over a prolonged period of time, bottom and likely rally back to all-time highs after the bear market ended. It would follow the same path we saw in 2022 for other mega cap stocks.
It’s why we probably need to start looking at hedging Nvidia a little more. Our portfolio are pretty well insulated against a QQQ crash and if the QQQ rolls over, we’d make money in most of the portfolios.
But we’re not as well insulated against a Nvidia collapse. we have some puts and we’ve sold some covered calls to reduce basis. But we do need to increase our insurance exposure in Nvidia.
To answer your question, Nvidia can’t swim upstream. If we enter a bear market, it will trend lower with the stock market. Nothing trades in a vacuum.
In 2008, even though Apple was growing at over 100% a year and had just released the iPhone in June 2007 — mere 1.5 years earlier — the stock still crashed along with everything else. It fell from $202 a share in Jan 2008 to $78 a share in January 2009.
Have you decided how to handle NVDL in this case? A bear market seems like it would be rough on any positions, given the multiplier. Is it as simple as a put or two? I’d imagine you’re likely still weighing options and that the bear market is only a notable risk at this point, but I’d like to hear where you’re at on that as well.
The same exact way, we’d hedge the $90 calls. The $90 calls and NVDL Would probably trade in very similar ways. They probably be priced around the same. The same loss we take in the $90 calls would be roughly the same in NVDL.
The strategy is to look at our positions now and then increase our put exposure in a way that it would off-set any losses sustained in a bear market.
We then use rallies in Nvidia to sell covered calls. Those covered calls would pay for the puts we purchased.
For example, in Lannister, we own the Nvidia December 2025 $100 Puts that expire in about 11-months. Those puts would do well in a bear market. We own 2 contracts in that position.
However, the problem is that we own 4 contracts in the Nvidia Dec 2026 $90 calls at $43.80 (cost-basis) which are trading at $53.27 today. They’re up 22% despite Nvidia’s recent big sell-off.
Now the puts would off-set losses sustained to our $90 calls for sure. we paid about $17,520 for the $90 call options. On a crash to $70 by say July 2025, they’d trade at around $20.00. We’d make about $4,000 in those puts.
The $17,520 cost-basis would lose about $8,000. We’d off-set about half the loss sustained.
It’s not enough. we need to increase our put exposure by about double to fully offset the potential loss of a bear market. To double our exposure, it would only cost us about $2,000. we recently just made $4,000 from selling covered calls ahead of this correction.
So we could buy $2,000 worth no problem. That extra $2,000 in protection would produce an extra $4,000 in a crash down to $70 . That would fully off-set a loss sustained in the Dec 2026 $90 calls. What’s more, we’d then be able to sell those puts and use the capital to increase our long exposure so that when the next rally starts, we’re holding a massive long postion in Nvidia at a very low cost-basis.
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Furthermore, we not only own the $90 calls in Nvidia in the Lannister portfolio, but we also own a $7k position in the NVDL. We recently made about $500 selling covered calls against the NVDL which would off-set any hedge we purchased for it.
I think the way to hedge the NVDL would be the same way we’d hedge the $90 calls. They’d react in much the same way except NVDL does’t have an expiration.
So we might simply add yet another $2k position to hedge out the NVDL.
We have the capital in the portfolio to do that now. If we tripled our current put position to $6k (from $42) that would likely off-set any loss sustained in NVDA and the Nvidia $90 calls in a bear market.
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Now consider this. Suppose we don’t enter a bear market. Suppose instead, NVDA rallies to $170 as we expect. If that happens, we make $23,000 in our Nvidia long positions minimum from here on top of the $3k we’ve already made. So $26k total.
The puts go to $0.00 leading to a $6k loss in the puts. that would be off-set in the covered calls we’d sell in the process. Just to give you an idea, in only this correction alone, we made about $2200 in selling covered calls against our long position. so we could very easily off-set the total insurance cost. It just takes a few well timed sales of covered calls. Like when we sold the January $170 calls against our Nvidia $90 calls in December. we collected $4.25 x 4 contracts = $1700 on that one trade.
THIS RIGHT HERE is way to be thinking about how we position for both outcomes. The lesson here is to always thinking about how to insure our positions. Especially after a big profit run. The way we did it with Arryn and the QQQ.
Don’t know enough about that to comment one way or the other. You’d have to do a deep dive on that.
What I do know is there are a lot of different indicators and correlations. For us, the reason we’re bringing up the consolidation is because it is a direct market indicator. The market is actually behaving in a very particular way that is consistent with past peaks.
For me, that’s the big tell. It’s when the market actually takes a step in a particular direction that the risks actually increase.
Indicators outside of the market’s actual trading action are just potential risks. They haven’t lead to anything concrete yet.
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For example, the S&P 500 P/E ratio being north of 30 has been a problem for a good long while now. A lot of investors are watching that indicator and it comes up all the time. See here:
Historically, a 30+ P/E ratio has correlated with previous market peaks. yet, the problem with the indicator — as I see it — its that it only tells us that the market is expensive. It doesn’t give us any good solid data on the timing of when the market might peak. We’ve seen the S&P 500 sit at a P/E north of 30 for years before. All it tells us is that the market is a little richly valued at the moment. That’s it.
But once the market takes an actual step in the direction of a peak, that’s when the risks become more concrete. And that’s what we have going on right now.
All of the different bear market indicators do become more important and relevant now that the SPY & QQQ have spent 1.5 months consolidating.
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Still as we mentioned earlier today, if the QQQ pushes past the $539 level, this is all invalidated. Another intermediate-term rally up to $550-$600 removes that risk entirely. It goes right out the window. It’s why we wanted to see the market green today. We want to see a string of up days push the market higher.
Does the way NVDA traded today change your outlook at all? Do you think it’ll reach overbought before another leg down? Or do you think it could go back down before it reaches overbought?
Thanks for the analysis as always Sam. If we might head to a bear market, what is your prediction for NVDA then ?
We have always said NVDA will reach 150+ last 7 months and would trade above that level soon. The release of this earning 2/26 (Blackwell earning) would greatly help with that. What’s your thought ?
I am eager to get a better understanding as well especially with the proposed chip tariff looming over us.
Well if we enter an actual bear market, that thesis would be derailed. That’s the entire point of risk management. It’s to insure against the potential risk of a bear market, crash or other black swan type of event.
Most likely if we entered an actual full fledged bear market, Nvidia would likely fall to $70-$80 a share over a prolonged period of time, bottom and likely rally back to all-time highs after the bear market ended. It would follow the same path we saw in 2022 for other mega cap stocks.
It’s why we probably need to start looking at hedging Nvidia a little more. Our portfolio are pretty well insulated against a QQQ crash and if the QQQ rolls over, we’d make money in most of the portfolios.
But we’re not as well insulated against a Nvidia collapse. we have some puts and we’ve sold some covered calls to reduce basis. But we do need to increase our insurance exposure in Nvidia.
To answer your question, Nvidia can’t swim upstream. If we enter a bear market, it will trend lower with the stock market. Nothing trades in a vacuum.
In 2008, even though Apple was growing at over 100% a year and had just released the iPhone in June 2007 — mere 1.5 years earlier — the stock still crashed along with everything else. It fell from $202 a share in Jan 2008 to $78 a share in January 2009.
Have you decided how to handle NVDL in this case? A bear market seems like it would be rough on any positions, given the multiplier. Is it as simple as a put or two? I’d imagine you’re likely still weighing options and that the bear market is only a notable risk at this point, but I’d like to hear where you’re at on that as well.
The same exact way, we’d hedge the $90 calls. The $90 calls and NVDL Would probably trade in very similar ways. They probably be priced around the same. The same loss we take in the $90 calls would be roughly the same in NVDL.
The strategy is to look at our positions now and then increase our put exposure in a way that it would off-set any losses sustained in a bear market.
We then use rallies in Nvidia to sell covered calls. Those covered calls would pay for the puts we purchased.
For example, in Lannister, we own the Nvidia December 2025 $100 Puts that expire in about 11-months. Those puts would do well in a bear market. We own 2 contracts in that position.
However, the problem is that we own 4 contracts in the Nvidia Dec 2026 $90 calls at $43.80 (cost-basis) which are trading at $53.27 today. They’re up 22% despite Nvidia’s recent big sell-off.
Now the puts would off-set losses sustained to our $90 calls for sure. we paid about $17,520 for the $90 call options. On a crash to $70 by say July 2025, they’d trade at around $20.00. We’d make about $4,000 in those puts.
The $17,520 cost-basis would lose about $8,000. We’d off-set about half the loss sustained.
It’s not enough. we need to increase our put exposure by about double to fully offset the potential loss of a bear market. To double our exposure, it would only cost us about $2,000. we recently just made $4,000 from selling covered calls ahead of this correction.
So we could buy $2,000 worth no problem. That extra $2,000 in protection would produce an extra $4,000 in a crash down to $70 . That would fully off-set a loss sustained in the Dec 2026 $90 calls. What’s more, we’d then be able to sell those puts and use the capital to increase our long exposure so that when the next rally starts, we’re holding a massive long postion in Nvidia at a very low cost-basis.
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Furthermore, we not only own the $90 calls in Nvidia in the Lannister portfolio, but we also own a $7k position in the NVDL. We recently made about $500 selling covered calls against the NVDL which would off-set any hedge we purchased for it.
I think the way to hedge the NVDL would be the same way we’d hedge the $90 calls. They’d react in much the same way except NVDL does’t have an expiration.
So we might simply add yet another $2k position to hedge out the NVDL.
We have the capital in the portfolio to do that now. If we tripled our current put position to $6k (from $42) that would likely off-set any loss sustained in NVDA and the Nvidia $90 calls in a bear market.
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Now consider this. Suppose we don’t enter a bear market. Suppose instead, NVDA rallies to $170 as we expect. If that happens, we make $23,000 in our Nvidia long positions minimum from here on top of the $3k we’ve already made. So $26k total.
The puts go to $0.00 leading to a $6k loss in the puts. that would be off-set in the covered calls we’d sell in the process. Just to give you an idea, in only this correction alone, we made about $2200 in selling covered calls against our long position. so we could very easily off-set the total insurance cost. It just takes a few well timed sales of covered calls. Like when we sold the January $170 calls against our Nvidia $90 calls in December. we collected $4.25 x 4 contracts = $1700 on that one trade.
THIS RIGHT HERE is way to be thinking about how we position for both outcomes. The lesson here is to always thinking about how to insure our positions. Especially after a big profit run. The way we did it with Arryn and the QQQ.
To hedge NVDL will you be buying puts on NVDA or on NVDL directly?
We’d be buying it on NVDA. NVDL options are too expensive and not liquid enough.
Since the two assets are directionally correlated, Buying puts on NVDA protects NVDL.
And you can predict NVDL price in much the same way you do with options.
So Nvidia puts will work to hedge NVDL.
Sam, great analysis.
I have heard that you start seeing signs of a downward trend in credit swaps before it hits equities.
Any thoughts?
I am referring to this –
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BAMLH0A0HYM2
Don’t know enough about that to comment one way or the other. You’d have to do a deep dive on that.
What I do know is there are a lot of different indicators and correlations. For us, the reason we’re bringing up the consolidation is because it is a direct market indicator. The market is actually behaving in a very particular way that is consistent with past peaks.
For me, that’s the big tell. It’s when the market actually takes a step in a particular direction that the risks actually increase.
Indicators outside of the market’s actual trading action are just potential risks. They haven’t lead to anything concrete yet.
—-
For example, the S&P 500 P/E ratio being north of 30 has been a problem for a good long while now. A lot of investors are watching that indicator and it comes up all the time. See here:
https://www.gurufocus.com/economic_indicators/57/sp-500-pe-ratio
Historically, a 30+ P/E ratio has correlated with previous market peaks. yet, the problem with the indicator — as I see it — its that it only tells us that the market is expensive. It doesn’t give us any good solid data on the timing of when the market might peak. We’ve seen the S&P 500 sit at a P/E north of 30 for years before. All it tells us is that the market is a little richly valued at the moment. That’s it.
But once the market takes an actual step in the direction of a peak, that’s when the risks become more concrete. And that’s what we have going on right now.
All of the different bear market indicators do become more important and relevant now that the SPY & QQQ have spent 1.5 months consolidating.
—-
Still as we mentioned earlier today, if the QQQ pushes past the $539 level, this is all invalidated. Another intermediate-term rally up to $550-$600 removes that risk entirely. It goes right out the window. It’s why we wanted to see the market green today. We want to see a string of up days push the market higher.
Understood. For the moment, it seems we will close with a third day green, RSI is slightly trending up and VIX is melting down.
Does the way NVDA traded today change your outlook at all? Do you think it’ll reach overbought before another leg down? Or do you think it could go back down before it reaches overbought?